[00:00:07] Speaker A: Hey, everybody, it's Rick and Rob. Welcome back to the Nomad Pastor podcast.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Yeah, welcome back.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: It's been a couple months.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: I feel like we need to, like, reintroduce ourselves to the world or something.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: Well, we probably. You can go back and watch some of the other videos. Yeah. Listen to some other. Just start that way.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah, let's.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: What have you been up to?
[00:00:25] Speaker B: I've been all over the country.
[00:00:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I know that.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: I traded motorcycles.
[00:00:31] Speaker A: And you're loving it.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: I'm absolutely loving it.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Absolutely loving it. Yeah.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Rebecca got to ride on it.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Nope, she hadn't. Well, it's not that she hadn't had a chance to. Well, actually, she hasn't had a chance to.
So I bought. So I traded bikes on July 11, and I left the fault that was on a Thursday. The. The following Wednesday, I left for Vermont and rode to Vermont.
[00:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: I got my thousand mile service. So I bought a brand new 2023 road glide.
It had 7 miles on it when I took delivery Tuesday. Before I left, I found a set of slip ons for it on Facebook marketplace, went over and got the pipes and then came home and put them on that night, on Tuesday night, and then left Wednesday after work and rode to Knoxville for the first leg of the journey. So we get up to Vermont. We're in Rutland, Vermont, is where we were.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: And I had to ride into Fort Ann, New York, to get my thousand mile service.
And then. So 1250, 8 miles or something like that.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: So you're a little over.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: I was a little over. So I got my service and came back home. And then it was like a 22, 90 miles round trip the whole weekend that we were up there.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: This is the first new one you bought, right?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: This is the first. Yeah. This is the first brand new motorcycle I've ever owned in my life.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah. My indian is my first brand new one.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Like nobody else owned.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:15] Speaker A: Nobody else got to pay any attention to it.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Nope, just me.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: It's a. It was a new experience, and I'm sure for you. Right. Because you're used to the batwing fairing like I was.
[00:02:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. There's a complete different ride.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: You know the difference? Next to a semi truck on the interstate.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. We. We may have allegedly been witnessed.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: Allegedly been witnessed. I love it.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Traveling fast.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: Let's just say that.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: Okay.
I won't tell you. What can I tell? What? The average speed.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: I don't care what you do.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: We average 92 miles an hour coming home from Vermont.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought it was a little more.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Than that, but no, it's 92.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: I hit speed. I mean, that was our average.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: You know, but anyway, it.
The difference in the road glide and a batwing fairing is night and day.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Plus, my bike sits quite a bit lower than my old ultra did. I'm still trying to find the edge of the lean angle.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Now, you're. You should raise it.
[00:03:19] Speaker B: I'm not gonna raise it.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Why?
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Because it's low and lean.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah, but if you, if you raise it two inches, that lean is astronomical. Well, just because you have longer legs, like, I could never raise it.
[00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: I'm trying to figure out how to lower mine.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Right. Right. Now the seat height on mine is, is right. I really like the seat height. It's lower than what my ultra was seat height wise.
But the lean angle, like I would have been dragging pegs on the ultra.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: And I still haven't been able to get it down to where I'm dragging pegs on road glide.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: I remember on my street glide, almost every turn.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, I would drag.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: And look, I recognize I had it lowered an inch.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: Sure, but still.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Yeah, but every turn.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: And now there's a couple spots in Lebanon that I always. I drag every time on my indian still. Yeah, but it's just. Cuz I mean, I wouldn't drag if I went around that turn slower.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: Well, we'll leave it at that. Right, right, yeah, I get it. You know, and we, you know, coming, coming back this past weekend, we were in Indiana, and that was a fun ride. But when you get off the interstate in a couple of places, there's some pretty tight clover leaves.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Yes, there is.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: And I was still able to zip through those. And not.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: You go through Wabash.
[00:04:56] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: Right by past brands.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: Great dealership.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: We, we went to.
What is the amish buffet place in Elkhart. What's the name of it again? Do you remember?
[00:05:11] Speaker A: No, I do not.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: It's delicious.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: I don't remember.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: For a buffet, it's amazing. It really is.
[00:05:20] Speaker A: Well, you know, they know what they're doing.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: They do, they do. But anyway.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: All right, so let's jump in. Today we want to talk about navigating doubt, right? I think in everybody's life, and especially in our walk with Christ, there's times that we have questions.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: There are. And the way that we approach those questions and the way that we walk through those questions to get them answered makes a difference in the way that we use our perspective of what we've learned. To show others the gospel.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Amen. Amen. So you want to start us off?
[00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to read a scripture from Mark, chapter nine, verse 24.
And I want to give a little bit of context here.
Here's a father that has gone, gone to Christ, gone to Jesus, about a spirit that makes his son mute.
And the story, what we're going to focus in the story here is a little bit different than most people preach from. Okay.
The father asked him, how long has this been happening to him? He says from childhood. He's always throwing him back into the fire, into the water to destroy him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us in verse 23. And Jesus said to him, if you can, all things are possible to him who believes. Immediately the boy's father cried, this is the verse I want to center on. Immediately, the boy's father cried out and said, I do believe. Help my unbelief.
I think we have this.
I don't want to say aura, okay. But I think we have this.
What word am I looking for? Cockiness.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Ego.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: Ego?
[00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: Pride. Yeah. As a Christian, especially one that is active in ministry, that is active in sanctification and building their faith and trying to go forward, we have this stigma that we don't have an unbelief because we have surrendered ourselves to the Lord and what we see is all things.
But when I read this verse immediately, the boy's father exclaimed, I do believe. Help me with my unbelief. Help me overcome my unbelief.
I get reminded sometimes not even gently, that no matter where I'm at in my walking, in my faith, that there is still that room for growth.
And so believing in myself, that my spiritual maturity is on this level makes me too prideful, first of all. But at the same time, it puts obstacles in my way so that I can't even see my unbelief.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
You know, I've heard.
I've heard people say, well, you just gotta have blind faith.
Well, we've probably talked about that.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: We've talked. Yeah, we've talked about it.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: But, you know, in this. This father saying, I do believe, but help me.
Help me when I doubt. Right. Help me when I question. He's not saying I don't have faith.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: He's not saying I don't believe.
Right. And I just think about myself. There's, you know, plenty of times in my walk where maybe I didn't understand scripture.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: You know, and. Or I'm not. I'm not close enough to Christ. In my daily walk. And something happens.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: Right? And usually that's what it is. Usually there's a trigger event.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: Right? And something happens, and I'm like, why?
Why are you letting this happen?
Right?
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: And so how do you deal with that? Or how do people deal with that? Okay.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: So I don't know how people deal with it, but this is how I have learned.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: To deal with it. Okay. And so I had.
Let me set a stage with this, Rebecca, and I got a call.
And for those who are in christian leadership, know what a call is. We took a church as worship leaders in Mount Juliet. Okay.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: Recently.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: Several years ago.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Many, many, many years ago, as a matter of fact, this is about the time that I met you.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: Okay. If you put that. So now you know what I'm talking about.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Okay. So anyway, I felt that it was time to leave. Right? I felt like we had served what God had wanted us to do there, and it was time to leave. But I couldn't get. I couldn't get a clear, concise. Okay, it's time to go. That I felt like I should have gotten from God. And so I started questioning, why wouldn't he? And I was talking to a guy, a friend of mine at the time, and I said, man, I just don't understand why God won't let us go. And he said, instead of asking God why, ask him, what lesson do you need to learn?
And so that stuck with me over the years.
And I'm not saying that I don't doubt.
Okay? I'm not saying that's not the case, because there's plenty of times where I have. I'm guilty of having doubt in my life.
But what I am saying is, instead of asking God why, I try to lean into what lesson do I need to learn here?
[00:11:44] Speaker A: God, I think that's so key, right. Because, you know, we. We minister to a lot of different people of different backgrounds and different cultures and. And especially, like, at the rescue mission, right. Like, we just. We just encounter a lot of different people.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:03] Speaker A: There's a lot of people who are just really pissed off at God.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: Right.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: Like, bad.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: Like, really bad.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: Because they're asking why.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: Why did God allow this just to happen?
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Why does this happen in my life? Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: What? Why did God allow that? Why did God allow this? And instead of saying, what can I learn?
Right. But I also think there's this.
I don't want to say perception. I'm trying to look for the right word. But it's a tool that atheists use very well when they're, like, an atheist apologetic. Well, God let that happen.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: Right. Well, God did that.
Well, God killed millions of people in the flood.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: Right.
[00:12:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: And I don't think anybody really sits down and recognizes. And this has kind of really helped me, but it doesn't. God didn't do that. Sin did that. We did that.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: True.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: And so when I start to doubt, this is just me personally. Right. If I start to have those doubts, I ask myself, what accountability do I have?
Right. Yeah. God could have said, not allowed me to do it, but then I'm just a slave.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:24] Speaker A: And I don't think people recognize that. That free will is love.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Exactly. And I had a conversation not too long ago with a group of guys, and we were talking about that very same thing, free will versus the slave aspect of being in Christ.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: And so I go back to.
And I hate to reference this, especially because we were just talking about this a few minutes ago. Okay.
And we talked about it this morning, and I'm not trying to brag about this or pat myself on the back. Okay. So let me preface this this way. Yesterday, August 1, was my 16th anniversary of sobriety. Okay.
When I first got clean sober, I needed my sponsor to tell me when to brush my teeth.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: Now, I was. I was healthy.
I didn't detox really hard.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: I was managing addiction at that point, but I knew that the addiction still had a hold of me. Here's my point in that. And we talk about free will versus the slave aspect of it.
I needed that structure.
I needed someone to tell me what next step I needed to do, when to go to bed, when I needed to set my alarm before I get up the next morning, what? You know, when to check in at break time from work, those kind of things. Right. So that set me up into, I won't say a routine, but a desire to have that leading. And the good thing about what I went through in christian recovery was that my sponsor was very effective in turning that and segueing that from him telling me everything that I needed to do to the Holy Spirit, telling me I needed to do what I needed to do. So I look at it this way. In the free will. Yeah, I have free will. But I make the choice to allow the Holy Spirit to lead me in every aspect of my life when I choose not to follow that, whether it be walking, turning away from what I read in scripture or what a brother like you or somebody else tells me, like, hey, man, I see this, you know, as a possibility of a, you know, leak. And, you know, if I walk away from that or ignore that, then I'm not being led by. Because the Holy Spirit may be calling you and telling you, hey, man, you need to go tell your Batman, you know, he needs to shift this up.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: You know what I mean? So I look for. I look for that direction. Now, at the same time, I also know that in that direction, it's always going to be to glorify goddess. So as long as I'm looking for that way to glorify God and open myself up for the Holy Spirit to lead me to do that, then I'm going to be walking in that right direction.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: Absolutely. But that helps you in the times of doubt.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: It does, right? It does.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: Spending that time to learn how to listen. It does, right. For a long time, I didn't know how to listen to the spirit.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, right.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: I think every young Christian in their walk doesn't understand how to look.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: And so I would say, if you're listening and you're kind of new in Christ, right.
Everybody goes through that. It's okay. Yeah, right. But don't allow that doubt to cripple you or take. Yeah, to cripple you. I was gonna say take hold, but it's the same thing. Right. Because it can be very crippling if you let it get ahold of you.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Exactly. Right, exactly.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: It can get to a point that you just want to walk away, but you're walking away from something amazing.
[00:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: The best thing ever in the reward.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: For remaining steadfast in it and walking through that doubt.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Right.
[00:17:38] Speaker B: You know, and this scripture is. Is a perfect example of it. Immediately, the boy's father exclaimed, I do believe. Help me overcome my unbelief. The very next thing is Jesus rebukes the spirit that's in this boy.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
Right then.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: And so the reward for expressing it, the reward for opening yourself, to humble yourself enough to say, God, I don't understand.
Help me with my unbelief.
That's when the lesson is presented to you that you need to learn.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: You know what I love about this scripture? And when you start in verse 21. Right. Jesus asked the boy's father, how long has he been like this? And this is the Niv version. It says, from childhood. He answered, it has often thrown him into the fire or tried to kill him.
But in verse 23, it says, if you can, said Jesus, like, what do you mean? If you can.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Right. Like, he's asking a question, like, if you can. Seriously?
[00:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: And he says, everything is possible for one who believes.
Everything is possible for one who believes.
And that question, it's not about Jesus having power.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: No.
It's about the statement after the question.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: A person who truly believes there's no limit.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Right. Jesus's power is limitless.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Yep.
You got to. You got to.
Now let me ask you this.
When that belief suffers, okay.
Is that. Is that an instant condemnation?
[00:19:45] Speaker A: No.
No. Absolutely.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Okay. Absolutely. I agree 100%.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Absolutely not. Now, there may be some people in the church as a religion, not a relationship, that say that's a sin.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Right, right.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: But I don't believe that. My personal belief is, I think when you doubt, how you respond to that doubt is important.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: That makes a difference.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Right. Because if I doubt and I. I'm just like, well, forget this.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: That's different than me doubting and then saying, lord, I'm struggling with this doubt. Lord, I need you to help me.
Right. To help me understand what's going on right now.
[00:20:39] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: And why I am doubting.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: Right. So there's two different reactions to doubt and how you react, I think, is the. The true testament of what's going on.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: Agreed.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: Right.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: Agreed.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: Now, what if your response is, well, I got doubt. Screw this. Right.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: And blow this off.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: I'm out of here.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: Like deuces.
[00:21:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: What then?
[00:21:09] Speaker B: I think there is a. I think there's a salvatic answer to that.
[00:21:13] Speaker A: I think so, too.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: And I think that you, at that point, if you're just gonna blow it off and, you know, 86 it, I think we need to talk about your salvation to begin with.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: I would agree with that. Like, did you. Were you really saved?
[00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah. What was the basis of yourself, of your salvation? You know, is it something that, you know, you did because everybody else was doing it at church camp?
[00:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: Or was it something that you felt the need to have a savior and a lord in your life that was going to change you, you know, and if you're expecting to have the reward without putting in the diligence.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Well, then there's a. There's an issue here.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:01] Speaker B: You got a foxhole Jesus.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: I would agree with that.
I would also say that just because at that moment, you may say, I'm done with this, that doesn't mean that you're condemned forever.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Right.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: I agree. Yeah.
[00:22:17] Speaker A: Because you could, you know, you could come to your senses. That's for lack of a better way to say it.
[00:22:22] Speaker B: And I think that's the best way to say it.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Right. You can come to your senses and go, I can't believe I gave up so easy.
[00:22:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: Because he's never going to give up.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: That's exactly right.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: If you ever have doubt of what's going on, there's one thing that you never have to question.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: And that is God is never gonna give up on. Never gonna give up, never gonna stop loving.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Right. And I really personally rely on that, the knowledge. And it is knowledge. It's not a belief.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:53] Speaker A: Right. The knowledge that God's never gonna stop loving me.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Sure, sure.
[00:22:59] Speaker A: Now, maybe that's why I've never said, I'm done with this. Right.
I mean, there's tons of other reasons, but. Well, but because I have the knowledge. And I guess that goes back to your, how, you know, what happened during your salvation.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What was the basis for yourself if.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: You don't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God loves you forever, regardless.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Regardless.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Never give up on you.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: Right.
Right.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: I can understand you having doubt.
[00:23:29] Speaker B: Well, but at the same time, where does, where does that stem from, though, of not understanding or not having that understanding of God loving you no matter what?
[00:23:40] Speaker A: I don't know. I think sometimes, you know, our upbringing upgrade upbringing?
[00:23:46] Speaker B: Listening to the world, listening to what the media is shoving down your throat.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: You know, and all the different things that are going around in the world right now. And I say around because it's cyclic.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: It is. It is.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: You know, and so we're going through this cycle right now, of now, the cycles getting wider. I will. I will admit that.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: But is it any different than the cycles that have.
[00:24:13] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:24:14] Speaker A: I don't.
[00:24:14] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: I.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: So we look back at my own life, and I can see the cycles perpetuating themselves in my life, whereas at this point, I realize what my spiritual maturity means.
And then down at the bottom of the circle, you know, I'm wondering, why am I in this valley?
You know? And so at the same time, the things that we're seeing today with this country needs to come back to the Lord. It's always needed to come back to the Lord.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: Yeah. But here's the difference today.
I think the only difference is that we have this instant access to mediataindehen. Right. I think the things that the country or the world are going through when it relates to where we're at spiritually, and some of the things that are less than but not spiritual at all. Let me just say it like that. That are happening in society. I think they've always happened.
[00:25:26] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: But we didn't have instant access at the fingertips to know everything that's going on.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: Right.
[00:25:33] Speaker A: You know, there used to be a time that you and I remember and like some people listening may not even know what a newspaper is, but, but.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: You know, I sold subscriptions to newspaper.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: But you used to get up and wait for the newspaper to be delivered.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: Right.
[00:25:47] Speaker A: To find out what's going on in the world.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Right. Exactly.
[00:25:51] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: Because the news only came on twice.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:25:55] Speaker B: 10:00, right.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: Local news, there was no national news. Like there was no CNN or Fox.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: Or no 24 hours news service. Yeah. You had to wait till 630 to catch what was going on in the world.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: And, and if you were lucky, you may live in an area that you could get like a USA Today.
Yeah, if you were lucky.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: But usually it was your local paper.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Local paper.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: And, and they had two pages of world news out of like a hundred.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Or a couple of columns.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: You know what I mean? You know, it'd be this story and then this story. And, and the thing that, what's funny is as a Gen Xer, yeah.
We see all these reels and funny videos and memes and things about like who let the gen Xers off the hook.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: Right.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: We were never off the hook.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: No.
[00:26:47] Speaker B: You just don't have evidence of us because what we had to use was the library and an encyclopedia.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: The last generation to not be connected.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:26:56] Speaker A: To not grow up.
[00:26:57] Speaker B: Right. I was a latchkey kid.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, key around your neck on a string.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Yep. Or on that little bead chain necklace.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: That's right. You know, that's right. I don't lose this or you'll be sitting in the yard till I get home.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: That's right. And my mom was a teacher.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: I mean, you know, so I'd be like, mom, be home at.
[00:27:15] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I, you know, and I know it's off subject, but, you know, not about doubt, but I remember, like, you know, get out of the house. And your parents had locked the door. I need a drink. Use the hose.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:27] Speaker A: Like. Yeah, yeah, it was okay.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: It was fine. But here's the thing.
But here's the thing, and this is the point that I'm trying to get to.
We as Gen Xers, right. Didn't have the modern conveniences.
[00:27:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: That are here today.
[00:27:46] Speaker A: That's a great way to say it.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: You know, your privacy was a 25 foot handset cord that had to be hardwired into the phone, and you would.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: String it down the hall to the bedroom.
[00:27:57] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: Or the bathroom.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: And if you close the bed, the bedroom door too tight, it would break the cord. Your dad would get mad because he had to have the phone technician come in and put a new one in.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: That's right. That's right.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: So here's the thing. But I digress. Let me progress a little bit here. So we didn't have minor conveniences like that. Right.
What we had to do was trust that it was going to be okay for us to wear that house key around our neck. We had to trust that when we came home, when the streetlights came on, that our parents, there would be a hot meal waiting on us. We had to trust that the school bus was going to make it on time. There wasn't a set schedule that we could look up on our phones right there. We had to trust those things spring forward 40 years from the time that we're. Well, a little bit more than that.
40 years. Okay, so let's bring forward 40 years. And now I have this thing in the palm of my hand that I can look up when your airplane is going to land, when you're flying back. You know what I mean?
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Right. Right.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: I can look on here and see how fast some of my brothers made it to their destination because we have this life 360 application that we keep up with each other on.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: Right.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: We have all these things. And I think the progress that we have that we have walked through technologically has caused us over the years, in the last. We'll go back to the 40 year thing in the last 40 years has caused us, because of this instant gratification and this instant notification, to be able to allow doubt to seep in.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: I agree. I agree. And I'm glad you came there because I was going to say this is a creation of doubt.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: It is.
Absolutely. If I text my wife right now and she doesn't text me back in the next 30 minutes, I'm wondering where in the world are you?
[00:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Are you okay?
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly right. You know, now I'm waiting on a text right now. It's like 2 hours ago, but I know she's busy.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: You know, and so that's, that's, that's my point. We allow ourselves to build up into things so that our doubt becomes natural instead of help my unbelief.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I never thought of it like that. You're right. We do.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: And so how do we combat that? And that needs to be how we land this. How do we combat that?
[00:30:42] Speaker A: Well, I think the only way to combat it is to get closer to God.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: So we have to, we have, we.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Have to spend time to get closer. You got to spend time in the word.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:30:55] Speaker A: Spend time, worship. It could be worship music in the car. It could be praying. You know, like there's all of these avenues to have that relationship and you gotta utilize those tools.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: If you want to. You're never gonna eliminate doubt in your life.
If you want to reduce the impact.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Of doubt, I like that.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Right. Because that's. Because there's impact to doubt.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: So if you want to reduce the impact of doubt, you've got to lean on God.
You have to lean on him because everything is possible for the one who believes.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Yep, yep.
I was reading in Mark, chapter six, and there's a whole lot to unpack in that whole chapter. There's a lot of things that are going on there. But the one thing that stuck out to me was that Jesus sent the apostles over to the other side, to Bethesda, and he stayed back on the mountain to pray.
What struck me with that is Jesus desired and made happen that time with Goddesse. And we're so keyed up on keeping a schedule that we don't prioritize the main thing.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: And we allow things to get in the way of what our study time should be, what our even worship in the core should be, or a meditation on what God is showing us at that particular moment. Like, I'll come back to this later. I've got to take care of this router over here. I've got to make sure that this port is connected with this Vlan or I got to make sure that this phone is coming up in this area and that, you know, we allow ourselves to get called away because of what we don't want to hang on to and let go of.
Does that make sense?
[00:33:18] Speaker A: No, it absolutely makes sense. And when we do that, because we're not spending that time and throughout, throughout Jesus's ministry, multiple, multiple, multiple occasions.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: Yeah. He leaves the disciples to be alone to pray.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: To be alone to pray. Right.
If it was important enough for Christ to. Over and over and over again. Right, right.
Spend time to pray alone with God. Alone with God. And I think in our society today that that is drastically missed. And I think that that creates this problem we have with doubt.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: Sure, absolutely. Right, absolutely.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: Because you're not, you don't have that alone time to take in his love.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:34:14] Speaker A: I know that there's sometimes that people are like, well, I pray and I don't get what I want.
[00:34:21] Speaker B: It's not about you, homie.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: That's because you're not praying with God in your heart right now. Look, I'm not saying that for everybody. Right. There are things people have prayed for that they haven't got and it wasn't about them.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:39] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: And so I acknowledge that. Right. But I will say every prayer is answered. It just might not be how you want. Right. It was answered, but it may not be answered.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: And I think people have to accept that. But when they don't accept that, it creates this additional doubt.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: Sure. Absolutely.
[00:34:59] Speaker A: Didn't I asked for, you know, so and so to not die and that didn't work.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. I have a personal experience. Not me personally. Okay, let me. Let me reroute this.
I have someone very close to me that a prayer, a continual prayer wasn't answered the way that he thought it should.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: And he completely and absolutely walked away from the Lord.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: That's hard.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: It's very hard.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:37] Speaker B: You know, and now, then he's at a point to where he's asking questions, but at the same time, he still got this in the back of his mind that he knows the answers to the questions that he's asking, but he's got this in the back of his mind of this didn't work out before.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah. That's hard.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: And so where we have to. Where we, and I say we as a body of believers who are sold out for Jesus, can unify in prayer and being that example of an unwavering faith for people around us to see so that when they understand that doubt doesn't mean the end of all of it.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Then, then we're successful.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: But we have to be unified in that.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: I think it's a great way to land it.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: I think it is. I think it is.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: It's been great to be back.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Well, it's awesome. Be back.
Yeah.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: Anything you want to add before we leave?
[00:36:46] Speaker B: The one thing that I want to add is that, you know, even though that we've been gone and scheduling and travel and trying to, you know.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: That'S a great way to put it.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: It was just.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:01] Speaker B: You know, I mean, between the shingles, the fireworks stand, our schedules being completely, you know, backwards.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: And being back. Here's the thing. If there is something that you as a listener, and by the way, we're on every single podcast platform and on YouTube, so wherever you're watching this from please, you know, reach out to
[email protected]. for any questions that you have. Like, hey, guys, I'm struggling with this part of unbelief in my life, or I have this doubt, or I have this going on. Reach out to us. We want to answer those questions. We want to.
We want to. We want to help in any way that we can to spread the word and to spread the gospel.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: Yes. There's one last thing I wanted to add before we just jump off, is that you got a big event coming up.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. August 24.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: So people listening, if they want to come and hang out.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: See us and say hi or.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Look, this is going to be an amazing event. It's called revival 62.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: Uh huh.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: It's in Gallatin at the grace church.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: On Long Hollow Pike.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Grace church, long hollow pike.
It's going to be an amazing day of worship and hanging out, fellowship and. Yeah, every full family, you know, oriented. It's for everybody. Bring the kids.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: We've got a kid zone. We've got vendors. We've got food trucks. We've got. We've got dessert trucks. We've got all kinds of people.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: That are coming to support this thing. And it's. It's not just geared for just bikers.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: Well, it's absolutely not. Right. It's, you know, it's everybody.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: It's. It's a revival.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: It's a free revival. It's free.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: It's free.
We are extremely excited to be able to do this and put this on, and we would love to have everybody come out and see us.
I've lost. August 24 at Grace Church in Gallatin on Long Hollow Pike, I think. What's the address you got pulled up?
[00:39:07] Speaker A: 1604 long hollow pike, Gallatin, Tennessee. Free admission.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: All proceeds are donated to operation stand.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Down and a couple other things.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Mostly all veterans ministries.
[00:39:20] Speaker B: All veterans ministries.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: And it's from twelve to six. So look, put it on your calendars. It's gonna be a big day.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: It's gonna be a big day. Come out and see us. And, hey, come up and find Rick, and I will be around, shake our hands, say hey, and we'll see everybody soon. But until then, remember, love God, love people.
