Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:07] Speaker B: Welcome back to the Nomad Pastor Podcast. It's Rick and Rob, and we have a very special guest, Little Wolf.
This is episode two of a special edition podcast that we're doing with Little Wolf about his story and transformation from a man of God that he is now to the man of God that he is now. And so, Little Wolf, welcome, everybody. Welcome back. This is. This is the first episode. If you missed it, won't you stop right here and go back and listen?
Everything. Everything that we talked about in the first episode or the previous episode leads up to where we're at right now. And where we're going to start in this podcast is with Little Wolf's baptism and a phone call that he answered that Barry Mason was on the other end of the phone. So let's. Let's start right there. Pull this just a little bit closer.
[00:01:04] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. That's fine.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: Right there, Right there. And. And go ahead and start back with. You're on that phone call with Barry Mason.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: All right, I'm. I'm on a call with Barry, and I say, all right, Barry, you got me. Yeah, you know, yeah, I've given my life to Christ and got baptized. And he says, well, he says, look, coming back to that church here in a couple weeks. He says, I'd like to have you come up and give your testimony alongside.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: Of when I. Oh, wow.
[00:01:42] Speaker C: Oh, let's just throw you right in.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And I says, all right. And I said, but I remember I.
I still got to go to court and everything on this stuff. And he says, yeah, that's all right.
So it comes time for me to.
It's about. About a week before Barry's supposed to be there, and they call me in for court and all that.
So I go to court, ended up. They found me guilty, and so I went back into jail, and I said, man, I ain't gonna get to see. Get up there with, say, working out.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Like I liked it.
[00:02:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So the. The church, though, was. They were really good. They were sending people in there to talk to me, and this. They were telling me about Paul and how Paul wrote letters from jail and all that. Right.
All right, well, if I can't be up there with Barry, at least I can write out a letter to the pastor and tell him, hey, look, you guys really listen to what Barry has to say here and really think about it, because he helped change my life, and he could do something for you, you know?
So they ended up.
Barry was there. He come down and seen me at the Jail talked for a little bit. And then, you know, just before they got. Brought him up there, they, you know, they read that letter and all this. And when he gave the altar call, well, they were playing my. I had a little short testimony that I gave when I got baptized.
[00:04:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: So they were playing that.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So we actually. We ended up working together after all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we get done with that and it comes time for me to get sentenced. Right.
And going, you know, here's my lawyer again. Right.
[00:04:52] Speaker C: Like, it's this, just so you know.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: He says, you know, they're asking for 20 to life.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Oh, my.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Because they're putting the. On you. This is your third felony.
[00:05:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: And three strikes, you're out.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: And I said, look. He says. I told him, I said, look, I'm not worried about it. I said, I've given it to Heavenly Father and whatever they give me, I. I gotta do, you know.
And he says, well, I've been trying to get you something, Lord, but they won't go for it. And I said, well, you know, and when I walked into the courtroom, I looked in the back and there was six of the men from church back there.
[00:05:55] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:05:56] Speaker A: And they were praying for me and all this.
So the. The judge, he goes, he says, this is the first time I've gotten so many letters written to me about this. And he says.
He says, I'm.
I'm going to sentence you to 54 months.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: And I. I knew it was a shorter sentence than what they were expecting, but I didn't realize it was 54 months.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
And you know, my lawyer. That's when his. His mileage just dropped because he. He didn't believe in. In God. Right, right. And I just looked at him and said, all right, yeah, now. Now, you know. Right.
[00:07:03] Speaker B: Did it change anything with your lawyer, though? Did he. Is he a believer now?
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I think he is a believer now.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Wow.
But in the prosecutors, boy, they were pissed.
[00:07:17] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sure.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: I bet.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah, they were, you know, but I just knew. I had that feeling that, you know, God was giving it to him and he. He took care of it.
Yeah. So I ended up going to being put down in Texas, FCI down there.
And it just happened that that FCI was next to a sister church of the one up here.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Wow, that is awesome.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So they sent people over, you know.
[00:07:57] Speaker B: Continue to disciple and stuff.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And then Barry Mason was giving his testimony down at that church and ended up coming over and seeing me.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: And that's pretty cool deal. And he goes, well, you know, man, you. You're probably going to have to end up giving up your patch.
And I'm going, yeah. I thought, well, yeah, I know how I thought about people when they gave their life to Christ, you know? Yeah. I said, well, yeah, my brothers might. I mean, I like this idea of me giving my life to Christ.
I said, yeah, I might have to.
Well, that night I went. I was sleeping, right. Then the Lord just woke me up. And he says.
He goes, you're not going to give up that patch.
He says, I put you in that club for a reason.
I want you to become their chaplain.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: And at this point, they had never had one.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: No.
[00:09:21] Speaker C: Right.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: So.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: So let me ask you this. So the Lord's telling you, I want you to be the chaplain of the Outlaws.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: Right. And what. What are you thinking?
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Like I'm thinking, lord, this ain't gonna work.
[00:09:36] Speaker C: I know what they're gonna say to me.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: So, like, Jesus, if you got the right number.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: I'm arguing with you, you know? You don't argue with the Lord.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: No, you don't.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: You don't.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:50] Speaker A: He just says. That's when he told me. He says, you know, there's a reason why I put you in that club.
I didn't. You know, I didn't even think about that. Right, right.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: You know, because all we. You know, we don't. We think earthly things, right?
[00:10:10] Speaker C: We do.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: You know, we don't, especially when we're just getting started.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: And so I'm. I'm going, well, how am I going to tell my brothers and.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Yeah. That I've got this call in my life?
[00:10:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, it came a time for me to get out. I did my time and all this, and I'm sitting at the house there in Oklahoma and doing. On paper. All right, well, two brothers from Dayton had come out to Arkansas and was partying out there, and they decided to come visit me since they heard I'd gotten out.
And so they come up. That was Tommy Lee and Jay. Tommy Lee and Jay. And so I met him at the door, and I said, hey, brother, first thing I want to let you know is that I did give my life to Christ, and.
And the Lord wants me to become your chaplain.
And they both looked at it and said, that'd be a good idea.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. So the initial reaction was, yeah, it.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: Was nothing like I thought.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:11:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: And they said, well, matter of fact, we got this pastor out here in Columbus that you might want to come Talk to.
I said, all right, but it's going to have to wait. And, yeah, I can't go to Columbus. I can't go. Club is on paper, Right, Right. You know, at least. Or at least I can't get a travel from it for at least a year, you know? Know.
[00:12:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: And so about.
I'd say about seven. Seven months.
And I get this phone call in the middle of the night, and it was Tommy Lee. And he says. He says, you remember Jay? And I says, yeah, I remember Jay. He said, well, he died in his sleep last night, and we want you to come up and say a few words at his funeral.
I said, man, I'd love to, brother.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: But I'm not able to even apply for a pass here.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, yeah, it hasn't been a year yet.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: And he says, well, just. Just go ask your PO and see what you know.
[00:13:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: So I said, all right. I went and Talked to my P.O. and I said. I said, look, a good friend of mine died, and they want me to come up and say a few words at his funeral, you know.
And she goes, well, you haven't been out a year yet. And I says, yeah, I know. And she says, well, let me. Let me put it in front of the superiors and see what they said, you know. So she did that, and she calls me up and she says, look, they're going to give you a pass, but you can't stay at any of your brother's house and you can't stay at a clubhouse.
I says, well, what about a pastor?
She says, well, yeah, that would work. So I called Tommy Lee up and I said, hey, you think that pastor would still wants to talk to me?
[00:14:34] Speaker C: Will he let me stay at his house?
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I need a place to crash. Yeah.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: And he said, yeah. So ended up getting the pass to his place. And I get up there and him and I are talking, you know, and I start telling him about the thing that happened with Barry Mason and how he said I probably would have to end up giving up a patch and all this.
And I told him. I said, well, I got this vision and heard from the Lord that he wanted me to become the chaplain. Yeah, well, the pastor got a big smile on his face and I. And he.
He's. He's just humoring me, right?
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: And I says, no, for real, man.
He says, oh, no, no. He says, I'm smiling because he says, about nine months ago, I had a dream, and the Lord told me I was going to be the pastor for the first chaplain of the outlaw. Wow.
And I said, what?
You know, and then. Then I. You know, I started thinking, I'm going, man, you know how we always doubt everything?
[00:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:14] Speaker A: Lord.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: And if we really think about it, when he tells you something, he's already got everything worked out.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: Yeah. He's put all the pieces in place.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:25] Speaker C: Opened all the doors.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: We're the ones that block it.
[00:16:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: And mess it up.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: Mess it up.
[00:16:30] Speaker C: Sometimes we're unwilling to walk through the doors he opens.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:33] Speaker B: That's that. And that's the thing that we. We get caught up in, is sometimes those doors that God opens because of the unknown.
[00:16:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:43] Speaker B: Because of. This is not what my path seemed to be, especially coming from an outlaw lifestyle. Right.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: Or.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: Or whatever. You know, this is not where. This is not where I see my life going. But God's got other plans.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: You know, so that. That's great. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: So, you know, I'm trying to figure out, well, I still ain't told my. My club, man.
[00:17:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: That.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: You know, I'm sure it got leaked out a little bit, but, you know, so I'm up there talking in front of everybody about how great a guy Jay was. And I said, matter of fact, he came and seen me when I got out of jail, and I told him that I'd gotten saved, and I wanted to.
You know what? The Lord wanted me to become the chaplain.
The whole room got quiet like a pin drop. Yeah.
Oh, man.
[00:17:58] Speaker C: Could I have picked a better time?
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
So I got. I started getting down off the stage, and I noticed this guy working his way through the crowd, right.
It was another brother. He'd come up and he says, man, I'm glad you said that. He said, I gave my life to Christ, and I was afraid to tell anybody.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: And then. Then my national boss come up and he goes, are we losing you to the church?
And I says, no. I said, brother, no.
What I want to do is I want to become you guys chaplain. And he says, oh. He says, well, look, we're having a national up here in Wisconsin in Milwaukee and in August, Right.
And you need to come up and talk to all the bosses and let them know what you want to do.
Vote on.
I said, all right.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: Now, at this moment, right, you say, all right to your national boss. And after you say, all right, your thoughts are. I'm still on paper.
I'm gonna need permission.
There's no way they're gonna let me go to a national meeting.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: No. Right, right.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:19:35] Speaker C: But I already said yes to the National.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: I've already told him yes.
Oh, man. How am I gonna pull this one off?
[00:19:43] Speaker B: So how much longer did you have on paper at that point? Do you remember?
[00:19:46] Speaker A: Well, I still had four years, though.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness.
[00:19:50] Speaker C: Because, remember, it was only, like, seven months in.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:19:53] Speaker C: He should have never got this travel pass.
[00:19:55] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: You know, so here I am in August. Is. You know, this. This was in the winter.
So it was right around December or. No, it was right around January, something like that. And so at eight more months before.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: Right, yeah. Before you could. So you had eight months to work it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Well, I'm a procrastinator. Right.
[00:20:25] Speaker C: I was gonna ask, did you wait the eight months?
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
Hey, this gets better.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: Look, look, first of all, I want to stop right here. Thank you for finally admitting that. That you're a procrastinator.
[00:20:38] Speaker C: That's something we may have known for several years.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I've known you a few years.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: So, you know, I'm trying to figure out, how am I going to pull this off? Pull this with, you know, how am.
[00:20:55] Speaker C: I even going to ask?
[00:20:56] Speaker A: Right. You know, I just got back. Yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker C: Hey, thanks for letting me go someplace I should not have been allowed to go, but I need another favor, by the way.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: Well, so it's. It's about seven months, and I still haven't, you know, figured out how to do this yet.
[00:21:19] Speaker C: So it's July now.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And the next thing I know, I'm getting this call from the pastor down there. Right. And he goes, I had a meeting with our congregation, and we. We voted on it, and we're gonna move you and your family up here to Columbus.
I says, well, Pastor, you forgetting something?
I'm on federal paper and my jurisdictions here in Oklahoma.
[00:22:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: Feds do not move jurisdictions. You know, they don't let you travel or they don't let you move.
And he says, well, just going in, talk to your PO See what she has to say. And I said.
[00:22:26] Speaker C: I said, all right, so wait, wait, wait.
Now. Now it's seven months. You still haven't asked for the commitment you already made.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: Right.
[00:22:39] Speaker C: And now you got to go ask for something else at the same time.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I'm saying, boy, this is really gonna.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: This ain't gonna fly.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
So I go.
I says, look, I got a call from this pastor, and he wants to move me and my family up there to Columbus.
She looks at me and she says, what?
I said, yeah, I just got off the Phone with him. And she, well, we don't do that.
I said, well, yeah, I was. I was telling him that, you know, but he said, go ahead and ask. And I said, so I'm asking you.
And she said, well, let me see what the.
What the higher ups say about this.
Oh.
And I still didn't put in. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, by the way, I'm gonna just see how this goes a couple weeks go by now. Now we're getting down to the time when I gotta be up there.
She goes, she calls up and she says, you. This is on a Monday.
And she says, I don't know, but you need to pack your stuff up and report to your new PO up in Columbus, Ohio.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness.
Wait, this is on Monday, and you gotta report on Thursday.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:48] Speaker C: So you probably haven't packed, but you should pack.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm going, oh, man.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
Can I go to Milwaukee?
[00:25:02] Speaker A: No, no.
[00:25:03] Speaker C: He's gonna ask the new PO.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: So I get it, you know, I call up the. The pastor and I says, man, they. They approved it, and I gotta be. I gotta report their Thursday morning.
I says, but I got a problem.
I got this house, and I ain't got a truck or nothing to.
He says, yeah, you do. Go down to U Haul. We got you a truck. I said, wait a minute.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: Wow. You already had a truck waiting for you?
[00:25:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow.
[00:25:42] Speaker C: Already paid for it.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
And I said, wait a minute. I just found out about. How did you know? He says, well, you're not the only one that God talks to.
See?
Wow.
And, you know, then I started really going, man, I better start paying more attention to what he has done.
[00:26:08] Speaker C: Seriously.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Because, you know, here, this. These are things that they shouldn't be happening.
[00:26:18] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:26:19] Speaker C: Over and over again.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Right.
And so I. I get everything packed up, I pull into Columbus, and.
And I says, oh.
He says, well, it's good to meet you. And I said, yeah. I said, oh, and by the way, I have to have a permit to travel to Milwaukee for our national. Because I gotta go up there and tell them I want to become their national chaplain.
[00:26:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: And he says, what? You just got here? Yeah.
[00:27:04] Speaker C: And next week.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: No, it was that Friday.
[00:27:09] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: You know, like I said, I'm afraid. Procrastinator. I. Wait, so wait.
[00:27:16] Speaker C: So wait, wait. Let me just make sure I understand. So you meet him Thursday morning.
[00:27:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:27:20] Speaker C: And you're asking for a travel pass for the next day.
[00:27:23] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:27:23] Speaker C: Okay.
I think that is clearly the exaggeration of procrastination.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: The classic Example.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, at every level, but this is to show you how well the Lord takes care.
[00:27:43] Speaker C: Amen to that.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: Because he told me, he says.
He says, man, I gotta talk to my. My superiors on this one. He says, well, I'll tell you. He says, look, you give me an itinerary of what you're going to do and who you're going to stay with, and you can't be staying with none of your outlaw brothers or anything like that. He says, matter of fact, I want you to stay at a Christian's house. Oh, I'm going.
I don't.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: I don't know anybody up there.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: Christians up in Wisconsin.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Well, within.
Within an hour, I had a Christian family that was going to put me up.
I had a tribe of Judah was going to get me a motorcycle and escort me up to Wisconsin.
So I wrote all that down, handed it to the PO Next morning, he calls me up and he says, I don't know why we're doing this, but here's your travel permit.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Wow. Be safe and come on back quick.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: So here I get on that motorcycle, go up with the tribe of Judah, met this Christian family for the first time.
They didn't know who I was. All they got was a phone call saying, would you put a guy. A guy up?
[00:29:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: Well, here I am. I'm an outlaw.
[00:29:43] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:29:44] Speaker A: Right.
[00:29:45] Speaker C: Not sure what they were expecting. Probably not you.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: So get up there. And they had had their meeting that. That afternoon, and by the time I got there, I was too late. Oh.
And he goes, well, come back tomorrow and we'll have another meeting for you.
So went back the next day, and they said, yeah, we want you to become the chaplain.
And so I would. That's how I started being the national chaplain for the. To the Outlaws.
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:30:36] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: But it just, you know, I want to really impress what the Lord did there, you know, because, you know, most. The Lord asks you to do stuff, and most of the time, we're. We're trying to bucket. Yeah, yeah. You know, and this should be a good example of if you keep your faith and take that first step through those doors that he opens up for you. He's already got everything arranged. Yeah. Took care of everything.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: There's a. You know, as we think about both episodes, right. And you're in the last episode we talked about, you know, you're. You're in jail, Right. And you'd already met Barry Mason, and you hear a CMA guy preaching, and you're like, God, if you get me out of this, I'm going to give my life to you.
And it makes me think about how many times in people's lives they say, God, if you do this, I will do that.
And they don't.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: And it's because they're trying to make the deal with God that suits them.
[00:31:52] Speaker C: No.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: Absolutely glorifies him.
[00:31:55] Speaker C: But because you were faithful with that promise that you made.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I'm a man of my word.
[00:32:04] Speaker C: Right. And so you upheld that word that you gave and what God did in the year since for the glory of the kingdom, because you said, yes. Right. God, I told you I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do it no matter what, no matter how hard it may be.
And if you're not in this world, this kind of biker world, I think it's hard to think about the significance and the importance of what a big deal it was for that vote to occur and the vote to occur successfully. And you can't look at anything other than the hand of God in all of it.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: All of it was good.
[00:32:51] Speaker C: I mean, it's just amazing to listen to that story and think about at every step.
If you're someone who's listening to this and you've made a commitment to God and you're wavering like, I don't really know if that's what he wants me to do, you're wrong. He wants you to do it.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. And right here at this table is a man that can testify to what the glory of God did, not just in his life. And let me. Let me circle back with this for just a minute with. With what Little Wolf is to the Outlaws.
[00:33:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:28] Speaker B: And the way that he became the national chaplain for the Outlaws. And. And the. The evidence of God in his life.
[00:33:37] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:37] Speaker B: And. And the way that God has not just directed him, but promoted him in. In his journey gives us cause. Rick and I gives us cause for what we do in. In our biker ministries.
[00:33:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: You know, with Fort's Brotherhood Motorcycle Club and Bikers for Christ.
[00:33:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:59] Speaker A: Mm.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: You know, so that. That is.
That's just a testament for the reason that we are involved in what we are.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: You know, so.
[00:34:10] Speaker C: But I also think. I also think it's important, as you think through this whole story, you and I talk about this a lot, and it's about Christian unity, right?
[00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:17] Speaker C: Right. Right. This story has Barry Mason.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:21] Speaker C: So that's Heaven Saints, right?
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Right. No, no, no, no.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: Ha.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:24] Speaker C: Well, he was.
[00:34:25] Speaker A: He was. Ha. But he. He went. He. He was the founder of Heaven Saint. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:34:31] Speaker C: So from a motorcycle ministry point of view. Right. Or a Christian club. Right. Then you have Tribe of Judah escorting him.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Right.
[00:34:38] Speaker C: You have CMA preaching in the prison. Right. Forged Brotherhood's been around. Bikers for Christ have been around, doing stuff with them. So this unity that we have is so important, and I wish and I pray more than anything that the Christian church denominations would be this way. Would be this way.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:03] Speaker C: More than anything.
[00:35:04] Speaker A: Yep.
See, that was another thing that the Lord put on my heart, too, is when I started the. The Peacemakers Conference.
And this was after I'd become the chaplain and all this, and I was up there in Columbus, and I started. Because I realized with, like you said, all these clubs, the Christian clubs that had come together.
So I says, well, you know, I'm having problems with my brothers believing in the Christian things because they see you guys fighting amongst each other and stuff like that, and I'm going, no, we can't have that. I got it. You know?
[00:35:56] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: So I put together what I called the Peacemakers Conference.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:36:02] Speaker A: And I got all the.
All the local bike clubs or ministry clubs there in. In Ohio. And we started meeting, and I was telling him, hey, look, if you guys really want to do something, because my. My brothers and all these other clubs are looking at you guys, and they're going, why would we want to be like.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:36:32] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: You know, they're. They're no different than we, you know. Right, that's right.
And so we. We started. We started that, and it was going good until one time, you know, we just got through talking about all this and about not, you know, not fighting amongst each other, being working together. And I walk out of the meeting, and in the parking lot, there's two of them. Fist fight.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:37:10] Speaker C: Like, right after we talked about unity.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
Just got through talking about this. And you over here. What are you. What are you doing?
[00:37:19] Speaker C: Yeah, you know.
[00:37:21] Speaker A: Oh, that kind of started me getting discouraged about, well, you guys ain't really taking this stuff serious.
[00:37:29] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:30] Speaker A: So I. I more or less drifted away from that.
[00:37:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: But I. It's still. I'm still instrumental in working with you guys because that's what the Lord wants us to do. He wants to be all together. We're all working for the same person.
[00:37:49] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:37:50] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: I got the same boss.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:53] Speaker C: And Batman. I talk about that all the time. And not just on the podcast, but just in general that, you know, we all serve the same God.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: Right?
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:00] Speaker C: And all of our goals. They're the exact same.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:38:04] Speaker C: So if all of our goals are the same, why are we fighting about how we accomplish those goals?
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Right.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: And I will say this. In the last couple of years, especially last three years in. In Tennessee.
[00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: That relationship to further unity has gone a long, long, long ways.
[00:38:30] Speaker C: It absolutely has.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: You know, over the last three years, I would say the last three years especially.
[00:38:35] Speaker C: Yeah, three for sure.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Right.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe even, you know, four. Something like it started probably four years ago. But the thing. The thing is in that.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: And.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: And we saw that back in August, the end of August, when every Christian ministry and club showed up out there in Gallatin.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:38:53] Speaker C: You know, at the revival.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: At the revival.
[00:38:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: So, you know, we're seeing fruit from that, taken from taking a cue from what you're doing and what you did with peacemakers and. And things like that. So those things are coming to fruition in Tennessee, especially, you know, so that MMs and MCs. Christian MMs and MCs are working together in building that unity. And, you know, we've got the UNITY conference coming up in February, first weekend of February, you know, and that's something that my brothers, and your brothers as well, have always looked forward to and been participating in, you know, for a long time. And so those things are actually happening. And I'm hoping that they catch. I hope. And they catch wind and take off in other areas as well, in other states as well. So that.
[00:39:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I think in states where there's a CoC, it's important.
Whoever is the CoC chaplain is the one accountable for that unity.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:03] Speaker C: And whether they do it right or don't determine how united you are.
[00:40:09] Speaker B: Right.
[00:40:09] Speaker C: Yeah, that's my opinion.
[00:40:11] Speaker A: Right.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: And I agree. And we've seen that work.
[00:40:14] Speaker C: Yes, we have.
[00:40:15] Speaker B: You know, in this thing.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I've. I've been noticing it a lot more as I travel around.
[00:40:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:40:20] Speaker A: I'm seeing it starting to come together.
[00:40:22] Speaker C: Yeah. That's good. So how do you think now you're the. The national chaplain of the Outlaws.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: Right.
[00:40:30] Speaker C: How do you think that impacted your brother's abilities to be truthful with their faith?
[00:40:43] Speaker A: I think it's. It's showing them that it can happen.
[00:40:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: You can still be with the club and still have your faith.
[00:40:54] Speaker C: Yeah. But you don't have to turn your patch in.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: No.
[00:40:58] Speaker C: Because I'm sure there was a lot of fear there.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Right.
[00:41:00] Speaker C: If I think back to other days of my life.
[00:41:08] Speaker B: You ain't said nothing slick to an old can here.
[00:41:11] Speaker C: I know, I know there's a lot of fear about what is your brother's going to think, are they going to want to come and hang out? Are they going to invite you to go do things?
I'm sure there's a lot of comfort there for people that God put you in this place. So God doesn't necessarily mean, doesn't mean that they have to leave the club either.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: Right.
And I've been noticing that I, I got more brothers that are coming and talking with me and stuff like that. And so with me being a good example for them and they're seeing what I, what I've accomplished and what I've done and with my faith and stuff, that they're realizing that they can still function what they want to do and still have their faith.
[00:42:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's huge.
It's an amazing gift from God that he has put you in the position that you're in to be faithful.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: We've talked about some of this before and I want to circle back on a couple of things that we've talked about and, and God. So God gave Little Wolf this, this plan, this, this pathway. Yeah, we'll call that. Okay. God will never give you a gift or a talent, Right. For you to waste on something, you know, so God gave you this, this gift and he gave you this pathway to, to show others what faith in the real world looks like. Right. And we've talked about not wasting what God has given you and not wasting the, you know, not, not allowing a gift or, or, or a, a talent to dry up on the vine just like what God has done with you and your pathway. And I want to, I want you to, I want you to kind of tell people where you have gone as far as not just the national chaplain for the Outlaws, but where, especially with like Yeshua's Army.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: Right.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: And, and how that came about and, and talk about Shane and some of that that happened with that.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, how the Yeshua's army came about was that, you know, I, I, I helped, I helped starting with the brothers forgiven.
And what actually happened there was Sam wy and Sam McCoy came together and they wanted to put something together that would help me on my, what I was doing in the club and help me, you know, travel around and be able to do what I needed to do out here on the, on the streets and stuff.
So they came up with the brothers forgiven. And then I, I more or less helped get it going in with the Columbus chapter.
Now they're, they've gotten different Chapters all over the United States.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: The brothers forgive.
And so then I thought, well, the Lord told me that he wanted all of us to be together. So I said, I don't want to just make it for just the black and white. Right. You know?
[00:45:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: So my wife was a nurse and she. I had a friend of hers that was a nurse and her old man was a renegade.
And so I said, well, let's get something together where we can go across the United States and start bringing the different clubs. Different like ministries and.
[00:46:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Christian clubs.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: Right.
[00:46:02] Speaker C: MMs.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: Right. So they could.
It's not, it's not doing it just for the black and white world.
[00:46:11] Speaker B: We're doing it for the entire world.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: For the kingdom in the kingdom. So that's what I started with the Yeshua's army.
And it's. It's going pretty good. I've. I've this, this last year was my eighth year doing that cross across the United States.
And we were trying to figure out how we were going to do that. And the Lord kind of put it on my mind. He says, oh, he. I want you to make a cross across the United States.
And I says, what do you want me to carry across?
[00:46:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: You know. And he says, no, you just make a run. Where you start up in Michigan, you know, an i75, go all the way down to Florida and then Travel up to I40, get on north in North Carolina and go all the way out to California.
And if you look at it, it's a big cross.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: It is a big cross. Yeah.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: And so the first year I'm more or less did it by myself, you know, I had maybe one other guy with me, I think.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:38] Speaker A: And.
But I had to test it out.
[00:47:41] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:41] Speaker A: You know.
[00:47:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:43] Speaker A: I got it all done. And then the next year I had.
I think it was four people went with me and we started bringing in different MMs and.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: Sees.
And so this, this last year, I think I had eight when I came through here. Yeah.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:17] Speaker A: And had some from different.
I had some people that were ex.
Well, they weren't ex, but they had hung around ha. Before. And I had some others, you know, from different clubs. And so it's starting to blend them.
[00:48:38] Speaker C: All in, which is what it's all about.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:48:41] Speaker C: You know, it's about that unity that we're all in this together.
And you know, there was. There was only a plan A. Right. Go and make disciples.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:55] Speaker C: There was no plan B.
If you don't like plan A, I don't know what to Tell you.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: But, yeah, this. But this. The Yeshua's army is really. It's really grown quite a bit. Yeah.
[00:49:15] Speaker C: Well, we're at 49 minutes.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: Well, let's.
[00:49:21] Speaker B: So we've covered this. This man's story, you know, with. All the way from, you know, when you first get in trouble to, you know, now to the way that he's able to give glory to God with. With. With the Yeshua's Army. So I want. I want to thank you, number one, for not just your testimony, but for the influence that you are in my life and, and, you know, you know, when you come to town, that you are among friends, brothers and relatives, you know, and thank you for. Thank you for taking time to come down today. Thank you for coming through. And we look forward, Rick and I do, every time. Every time you come through, and I.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Look forward to it.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: And my dogs are missing you right.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Now, by the way.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: So. Yeah.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: Yeah, we got quite a few stories there. Yeah.
[00:50:20] Speaker B: As a matter of fact, my wife is pinging me right now, so I've got a. I need to make a phone call to her. But thank you. Thank you for coming by. Thank you for sharing your story.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: Thank you for having me.
[00:50:31] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: And.
[00:50:32] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: And we love it, brother. Thank you.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah, thank you.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: Thank you. So keep doing what you're doing.
[00:50:36] Speaker A: And I am. I'm enjoying it. Lord's, you know, like I said, all you got to do is step out and do it and. Oh, yeah, he's going to take care. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's a lot of fun.
[00:50:49] Speaker C: Yeah, it is fun.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: It really is. Really is. So thank you for tuning in to the Nomad Pastor podcast. It's been a pleasure these last two episodes, these special episodes, and as always, we want to remind you to love.
[00:51:04] Speaker C: God and love people.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: It.
