[00:00:08] Speaker A: Hey, everybody, it's Rick and Rob. Welcome back to the Nomad Pastor podcast, man.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: We're glad you're here.
[00:00:12] Speaker A: How you doing?
[00:00:12] Speaker B: I'm good.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: Good, good, good.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: It's good to be back.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: Oh, it is really good to be back. Is it? It got windy today, man.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: I was riding home from lunch and I was like, ooh, a little bit of wind.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Did you have to lean it into the wind?
[00:00:25] Speaker A: Not so much. I mean, I got tons of bagger stuff. Right. Like lowers and big ol fairing and.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: You know, I've been trying to wear a full face a lot more, and so I actually think that helps with the wind.
[00:00:43] Speaker B: It does. I think so.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: You know, with my half shell, it kind of like, you know, everyone's out. Gets up underneath there.
[00:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: Tries to pull you off the bike.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. I had a, had an interesting conversation with, with my neurosurgeon when I had laminectomy in my neck. Right. And he told me, he said, you have to stop wearing a half shell, a half helmet all the time. He said, you need to wear a full face.
I was like, why? He goes, because it literally reduces the drag on the motorcycle.
The full face does.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: And I thought, that don't make sense.
But because of the smoothness of the helmet.
[00:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: And it brings it down to where it's not pushing against my forehead to fight so much. Whereas it's the face, the whole frontal face is absorbing the wind so that it's not as hard on my neck.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: I mean, it makes sense. It's just hard to get used to.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: It is.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: You know, growing up in Utah, we didn't. I mean, and living in Utah, you didn't have to wear a helmet.
[00:01:53] Speaker B: In Missouri, we didn't wear a helmet most of the time.
[00:01:56] Speaker A: And so, you know, here we're wearing lids and it's like, yeah.
But then I'm like, you know, it's not that bad. Yeah, no, and I bought. I recently got, you know, a new Cena. Thirty K. The.
[00:02:12] Speaker B: I went away from Cena's.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: I don't go to Cardo. Would you go to.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: I went to a pack. Talk edge.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's an amazing device.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: You know.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: And since I've had that, I'm like, well, this is actually not too bad.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah. What? Now I'm going to get my half shells done. I mean, it's. It's done. As a matter of fact, I still have the same half shell that I was wearing the night that I got my road name. I still have it.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Okay. You know you're supposed to replace those like every five years, right?
[00:02:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, I know. But I'm. I'm gonna probably be here in the next couple of weeks, buy another half shell helmet just to wear for bouncing around, you know, going back and forth to clubhouse, stuff like that. And, you know, now when I'm. We're on a. You know, when we're on the road. On the road. Road.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: You know, I'll be in a full face.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: And I'm getting to a point now to where I'll even. Because I have the. The Pac talk. Edge has got JBL speakers in it.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: And the harmon card is what?
[00:03:23] Speaker A: Mine, mine are. Harmon card.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: Really?
[00:03:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: You see my old senate upgrade, right?
[00:03:28] Speaker A: So the head.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:28] Speaker A: The Senate 30K.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: You can. You can get one with Harmon card and speaker.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: I had the smart 20 is what I had.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's a piece of crap.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And it washed out.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: You have an HJC.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: HJC.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: So you have the smart 20 because it's built in.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: Like, or something.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I wasn't on. Yeah. And I love that helmet.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: So I have the exact same one.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: And the reason that I like it so much is for the glasses channel.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's. I. I mean, I got the same one.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: I love it. Yeah, absolutely love it. You know, but it. The. My center washed out. Yeah, it completely washed out.
[00:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, the new 30 k's are pretty.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: Are they?
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, they're pretty nice.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: Well, I just spent a buttload of money on this pack talk.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: I know you did, because I looked at them.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: I think I'll take this other way.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Yeah. They're high dollar, but they're. I mean, but I'm gonna start wearing my earplugs.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: Even inside my helmet, you know, because I depend on so much as a musician. Yeah.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: You know, so I've got to be.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Able to hear, which makes sense. Yeah. So look, today we're gonna talk about depression.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: And, you know, I think in everybody's life, you know, mine included in everybody's life, there are times where you just go through a depressed state of mind.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: There are those times.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Right. And, you know, what does that mean and what does that look like? And how do you rely on God for that? Right. And where do you gain strength, you know, as we talk through what it may look like? Because people are depressed for a lot of different reasons.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: Right. And there are clinical depression you know, that's a chemical related issue. You know, I think, and I think sometime I don't sound harsh or crass in this, but I think that gets over diagnosed sometimes.
[00:05:31] Speaker A: I think it does.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: And because I really think at the root of it all, not just root, all. I'm gonna take that back. I think for a lot of people, depression ends up being.
Because of being ashamed of something they have sinned in.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: I think sometimes.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: I think sometimes. Absolutely.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: I believe that culturally and. Well, let me, let me step back. I think first there is clinical depression.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: There is that people need help 100%.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: And you'll hear a lot of people say, like, don't take medicine or don't do this or don't do that.
God put doctors here for a reason. God gave them the ability to make and manufacture these life changing.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Drugs.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: Exactly right.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: There are people, and there were people in biblical times that struggled.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:38] Speaker A: And if they had this, they probably wouldn't have struggled as much.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: And so David is a perfect example.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. So we got to start with that there is a clear medically, you know, defined oppression.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:06:53] Speaker A: That people need help with and they should never be condemned or ashamed of, feel any way ashamed, whatever it is, for. For going through that, because it's not their fault.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Right.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: Now, I will say that I believe in our culture today, it's really easy for some people to say, well, I'm depressed, so I can't go to work today.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:17] Speaker A: I'm depressed, so you can't do that. I'm depressed, so I need this support dog.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: Well, that's depression as a crutch, not as.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:07:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: And I'm just trying to say kind of from a culture point of view, I think we have changed it.
[00:07:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. But, you know, now you said something like, I'm depressed, so I need this dog, you know, service dog.
I hear. Hear me say this, and I know Rick is going to agree with me on this. There are cases where especially in, like, PTSD.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Oh, that's totally different.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Totally, completely different.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: And, well, there are dogs that not only help with PTSD, but there are dogs that help with anxiety.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Our dogs help with depression. Sure. Right. But when I see somebody crutching it at the grocery store with their, you know, Louie purse. With the dog in the purse.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: Right. In a store that isn't supposed to have dogs like Costco. Right. Costco says no animals.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: Right. Well, this is my emotional support dog.
[00:08:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: That's your $2500 dog.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Right.
Speaking speaking of emotional support dog, do you hear about the dude that got kicked out of Bucky's for having an emotional support duck?
[00:08:42] Speaker A: No, I did not hear that.
[00:08:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he had an emotional support duck, what he claimed was registered as a white duck with orange feet and orange beak, and he brought it right up into bookies, and they banned him for life.
That's what needs to happen.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Now, as funny as that may say, you know, this dude can. And I've seen some of his videos.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: He's making a joke about a support duck.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: You know, and I've been in the airport before when somebody has tried to get, you know, a support pig on. Literally a support pig on the airplane.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: Okay. That's just.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: That's stupid. Right.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: That. That is exactly what I'm saying.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: Right. So that plays right into what we're talking about.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: Today.
[00:09:27] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:28] Speaker A: So then, you know, for those who have a real problem. Right.
Scripture is clear that God is with you.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Right?
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: And so we're gonna read psalms 34, verse 1818. You wanna read it?
[00:09:46] Speaker B: I'll read it.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:47] Speaker B: The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: That is pretty clear to me.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: Crystal.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: Right.
He's saying when you go through some problems, right. And maybe you're depressed about something, you feel brokenhearted.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: You feel like, you know, what am I doing? Why am I here? It's over. Like, your spirit is crushed.
And when you're in that place and you're going through that battle. Cause it's a battle.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: It is a huge battle.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Right. And you're going through that battle.
God's there.
He's there every time you need it.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: Exactly.
Exactly. I'll tell you a little story, okay?
I woke up New Year's Day of 1995 in a suicide depression ward. Meredith Myers clinic in Madison.
The things that I had allowed myself to buy into and the things that I had allowed myself to think put me in a place to where I had the plan.
I knew what was going to happen. I knew how I was going to do it.
Luckily, there were enough people that did not want to see that happen that came to my aid.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Praise God.
[00:11:43] Speaker B: I say that to say this, the things that put me in that mindset I created, I had a hand in making them worse.
Does that mean that what I had gone through was anything less than somebody that's trying to survive PTSD? No.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: No. Yeah.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: No. I'm not saying that I was any better or any worse than, than the Chris Kyles of the world.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: You know, I have a very, very, very dear brother who is a, who isn't a desert storm veteran, decorated.
He was a corpsman with the SEAL team.
I'd wade through a fire to fight a circle. Saw for him. Right. But I also know what he battles, what he's gone through. I wasn't in those engagements. I wasn't there, but I know what he's going through. So I say all that to say this, knowing now, the same way that he knows now that this verse, the Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit, we find comfort, we find peace, we find solace, we find satisfaction even in knowing that after we've gone through something that's traumatic like that.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: And I remember while I was in, while I was in the clinic, I remember they went to a couple of therapy sessions and they brought in this big old stack of books. And one of the books was happiness is a choice.
And the book was about training yourself to look for positives, training yourself to be optimistic, training yourself to look for good in people even.
And I rejected that to a point to where people have to prove to me, I have to be proven that this situation has some good in it somewhere.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: But I have allowed myself to grow to the point of now then looking at things completely different than I did. 94, 95.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: You know, where now I see things as there's, I'm going to learn a lesson in everything that I do, but I'm going to use that lesson to grow with.
I'm going to find the good in this windstorm today or the rain tonight or whatever. Right. The tornado that came through and tore up stuff at my house. There's good in that because I'm getting a relationship with a guy who is a believer as well, who is my general contractor, which, Tim, you need to call me, by the way.
But my point is this, in everything that, because of that situation, because of that book and even rejecting it at that time, realizing that God is near to the brokenhearted and he saves those who are crushed in spirit, I can look at things now in a positive light. I can look at things in a positive manner. I can look for the good and everything.
I can find those things so that the lessons that I gain every single day I can step on to keep stepping up, to keep moving forward.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
I greatly appreciate you sharing all of that. And I think the other thing to think about when you think about this verse, right. The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saved those who are in christian spirit. If you know somebody going through it.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Remember. Right. They're still loved.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: They are.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: And all you can do is be there for support. You can't fix it. You have to change it.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: You can't. You can't.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: And it's not. It's not personal against you.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: No.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: It's not.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: Just because you can't fix it doesn't make you doing something wrong.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: You're absolutely right. I got a phone call one night at, like 11:00 at night where a brother was. Was depressed, and all he was doing was laying in bed.
And so three of us jumped on the bikes and jumped in the car, drove down there to him. And we just sit in his bedroom.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: I jumped up on the bed beside him, picked up a guitar and just started strumming.
You know, the thing is, he needed to know that he didn't have to walk through this alone, that he was not alone, and that the three of us there were the representation of what Christ wanted us to do.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: You know, so you don't. You don't ever.
Don't ever allow somebody. And I think of the piglet and Winnie the Pooh, you know, a thing where piglets all depressed, and he's sitting on this log down there, you know, and Winnie the Pooh just comes down and sits beside him. Yeah.
And there's no conversation.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: And sometimes the most powerful thing.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:17:23] Speaker A: Is silent.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: It's silence.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Right.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: It is. But knowing that you don't have to do it by yourself.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. And I love. If you go down through this psalm, you know, in psalm 34, I love verse 22.
Right. And verse 22 says, oh, yeah. Lord will rescue his servants. No one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: No one.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: Not a single person.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: Right, right. So depression is real.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: I mean, there is a such thing. There is real depression. There are things that cause people to hurt.
[00:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: Literally.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Absolutely. It is a real thing. And I think that there are times that it gets. There are times it gets overused, but there also are times that it gets minimized by society.
[00:18:16] Speaker B: True.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: And that I think there are a lot of people who hurt from that.
From when it is minimized, when their feelings are minimized. Right. Like, I just rub dirt on it.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: You know, when you're growing up as a boy and you get hurt, you know, your dad's walk it off.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: Mom almost died. Walk it off.
[00:18:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I've heard that before.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Take this stick out of my leg.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Walking off.
[00:18:45] Speaker A: It's just a bone popping out. Yeah, we'll take you to the doctor.
[00:18:48] Speaker B: That little old twig.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: I remember like, I was, I don't know, maybe twelve.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: And we had went to the sand dunes, you know, we had dirt bikes.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: Three wheelers and four wheelers.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: I grew up on bikes, right.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: We had went to the sand dunes in Utah. Right.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: So. Utah.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: And I was on a three wheeler. And I was probably. I was by myself. Twelve years old. Probably two or 3 miles away from our camp.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:19:16] Speaker A: Out in the middle of nowhere, having a good old time.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Cutting up.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: Cutting it up.
[00:19:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Hit this jump.
Land straight up in the air. Straight down. Right on top of me by.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: Ow.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Oh, broke. Broke my collarbone.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, that hurt. Was it a pull start by.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: Oh, it was a clutch kickstarter.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Oh, kickstart. Praise God.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: Yeah, praise God. It was a kickstart, but it's still a clutch.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: Right. And I broke the collarbone for my clutch on. So I get the bike turned back over, and I'm like, man, my arm really hurts.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: And I kind of went like this to put it on the. And I'm like, well, it ain't even moving.
So I lift it up, put it on the handlebar.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: You can pull the clutch.
[00:19:55] Speaker A: I got it in first gear.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:57] Speaker A: And rode two and a half miles in first gear.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Shoot. Yeah.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: Through the sand dunes, up and down, up and down.
Got back to the camp.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: My mom's like, that'd be all right. We went to the hospital three days later.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: With it almost poking out of my skin.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: She was like, don't tell him you were on a motorcycle.
Tell him you were wrestling or something.
[00:20:19] Speaker B: Yeah, don't tell him.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: A three wheeler.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Get a bad rap.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And you hear stories like that all the time. My dad's oldest brother's got a crooked nose.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: He got broken, you know, fistfights.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: He came home one night, and he'd been in a fight with somebody from school who had bullied my dad. My dad is the smallest of the three brothers, but he's the middle one. Right. And so Uncle Roy had, you know, been in a fight, and it was over dad's lunch money, I think it was. Anyway, he comes in and my grandparents are already in bed, and he said, dad, I think my nose is broke. He said, go on to bed.
We'll look at it in the morning.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: It's still crooked. Because of that?
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, wait, so to get up next morning, they will live on a farm. They had things to do.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: Monday morning rolled around. That was Friday night. Monday morning rolled around. Grandpa finally takes Uncle Roy to the doctor and takes him to old military doctor.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: And he looks at him. He said, roy, believe your nose is broke. He said, we'll fix it real quick. He pulls a pencil out of his pocket, sticks that pencil up his nose. Pow. Now, it had been from Friday night to Monday morning.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: It has started to heal already.
[00:21:45] Speaker B: Well, yeah. I was gonna say, rub some dirt in it, boy.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: You'd be okay.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: We got things to do on the farm. Gotta go.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: Where's that field?
[00:21:53] Speaker B: That's right. Them hogs need to be fed.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: Oh, that's horrible.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: So, I mean, look, we deal with a lot of things in life.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: We do.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Right. Depression is one of them. You know, it's an. It's. I think at some point in everybody's life, it's inevitable.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: And I think that when it occurs, you know, don't be afraid to get help.
[00:22:14] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:22:15] Speaker A: But also, you know, turn to God.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: That's the point right there.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: Right. Turn to God. That should be your first step. Turn to God. Right. But also, don't be ashamed if you need more help.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: That's. And we. We need to not just realize that. We need to embrace that.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Don't be ashamed of it.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: You know.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: You know, there's a huge negative connotation to some things today.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: Depression and anxiety and PTSD and.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: And, you know, I wish to some extent.
I don't wish this, but, you know, sometimes I feel like if everyone could feel it once.
[00:22:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: If everyone could feel.
You know what? That guy who comes back from the military.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: Right. And the images and, you know, that's where it comes from. Right, right. The PTSD comes from what they have seen.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Right.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: What they have personally experienced and been through.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yep, yep.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: And. And while it's. It's probably not something everybody should see. Right, true. But sometimes I wish they could feel how they feel.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: I think.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: I think if they understood that, they would have a lot.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: There would be a lot more sympathy for.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: More understanding, and there would be more.
More. More people opening up to help.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: You know, and. But here's. Here's the thing. Here's the bottom line with that. No matter what your anxiety level is, no matter what your depression level is, no matter where it comes from.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: You know, knowing that God is with you, if you'll come alongside him.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
And I would also say, recognize not only is God with you, but when you get to that point of, you know, you're getting really low.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: And you feel like nothing's gonna pull you out of it, old devil's gonna try harder.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Right. So it isn't that, you know, God is left you or forsaken you or is ignoring you. Right. Because he's still there and he still loves you.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: And you got to cling to him with everything you got.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Right. But know that the devil wants to win.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: He does. He does. At whatever cost.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: At whatever cost. He don't care about you.
[00:24:47] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: He don't care. He just wants to pull you away from God.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Mm hmm. And so the more that we cling to him, the better off we're going to be.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So the Lord will rescue his servants.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: Right.
No one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: I love that. That's a comfort. That's a huge comfort.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: So how do you want to. How do you want to end this one today? How you want to land this one?
[00:25:14] Speaker A: I'm going to leave that to you.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: I think we just did. I think we just did. And I want to. I want to follow up with this.
If you're struggling.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: If. If depression is something that you're struggling with, reach out.
We are not clinical people at all. We work with clinical people, but we're not clinical people. Right.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: I am not a licensed therapist.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: I'm not. But I know how to pray.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: I do know how to pray, and.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: I know how to find people, and.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: We will absolutely find people.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: So please email
[email protected] dot. And we'd love to hear from you and love to help you out. And as always, we want to remind.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: You to love God and love people.
