Episode Transcript
[00:00:07] Speaker A: Everybody, Trick and Rob, welcome back to the Nomad Pasture podcast.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: Man. Somebody left the air conditioner and the ceiling fan on overnight.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: Seriously, it's chilly. I hate it when it gets cold.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: But it's that time of year.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: I know, I know, but still. Yet I'm not ready for it.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Well, I'm not either.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Well, you know, we're going to a house tonight for dinner and it's like.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Are you gonna ride?
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I'm riding in the morning. It's supposed to be like 30 degrees when I leave for iron Saturday in the morning.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I'm absolutely riding.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: So, yeah, I'll be wearing blanket line jeans and my line chaps and my heated gear. Plug it in.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: I mean, I'll have my heated seat grips and.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Chaps on.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: For the five minute ride.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: That's funny because I've got a ride out to Gordonsville in the morning and it's gonna, you know, a 45 minute ride out there, which is not bad, you know, but still it's. And I have.
[00:01:00] Speaker A: I'll tell you on my Indian though, I noticed that it gets. It blocks way more wind than my Street Glide did.
[00:01:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Like a ridiculous amount more.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:12] Speaker A: And I noticed that we went to Thunder Beach BFC did. And normally coming home from Thunder beach, it starts to get chilly.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, it does. And so normally around the Georgia line, it starts getting chilly.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: And I thought, well, I'm not gonna. It's more. I'm not gonna put on.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: Long John's leathers.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: Nothing.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: That was a mistake.
[00:01:41] Speaker A: No, it was not. It blocks so much wind, really, that I don't even have a problem.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: So with my new road Glide, I have, of course, with the old Ultra I had, you know, the batwing, fairing and lowers.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I had lowers too, but these lowers block way more on the.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: See, I don't have lowers. I've got soft lowers.
[00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a problem. Oh, yeah.
[00:02:00] Speaker B: I'm going to put lowers on it. Believe me, I'm putting lowers on. But right now I've got the soft lowers on it.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:06] Speaker B: And they block a lot of wind.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: You know, but not as much as a regular set of lowers do.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: No.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: But the road glide blocks a lot more wind than what that ultra did. Even with the lowers.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: I don't know if they would fit, but I might have a set of lowers in my garage.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Really?
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Off my street glide.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: What year was that? It was a 12, right? Yeah, yeah, I think they'll fit.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: I mean, they're black, they're knockoffs, but that's. They're free.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: That's what I care about.
I was going to put knockoffs on it anyway.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: Put them in your truck today and they work.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: We'll see. We'll see. That's awesome.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: You may have lowers out of the morning.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: I may have, but, yeah, we, you know, knew it was going to be getting cold this week, and so I went ahead and wired up the heated gear to the battery, you know, and got ready to plug it in.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: You know, I've never owned a heated gear.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: Really?
I absolutely love mine.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: I do. And it's not. I don't ever turn it on high. I take that back. One time I've turned it up all the way.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: It was because it was like 24, 25 degrees when I left the house.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: And I was riding down to Alabama and my helmet, the fog, it was foggy outside. It was freezing inside my helmet.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: And that's the only time that I've ever had it up on high.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
Not that I'm against it.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a game changer. I'm telling you. It's a game changer.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: I just haven't wanted to invest the money in it.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: Well, one of the things, of course, I just have the full jacket liner with gloves. Glove liners.
But one of the things that helps out a tremendous amount are those coffin grip covers that cover up your.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Hippo hands.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: No, no, no. Not the ones like what Metro wears where the. They're the mitts.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Yeah, these are just the.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: They're just. It's just a cut of sheet metal that goes.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: I have, I have the Memphis shaved ones on my.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: It just blocks the wind.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: Blocks the wind. Yeah. But when you're. When you have like my heated gloves on, when I have those turned on. Oh, man, it's amazing.
[00:04:09] Speaker A: Like, I have heated grips.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: And so as long as I, like, sometimes, like, the gloves I normally wear are vented in between the fingers.
And so if it's cold, my hands will get a little chilly.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: But I can turn my heated grips up and it's like. That's generally okay.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm. I got these a couple of years ago as a Christmas present. About three years ago, I guess as a Christmas present. And I, I love them. I. I really do. They're hot wired, so they're 12 volt. They just. It's just a connection that you put on the hot and. And negative side of the battery and it comes out the side cover and you plug it in.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Just a little like, SAE connection.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's like a coax connection. Yeah.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Like a trickle charger, right?
[00:04:50] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much.
[00:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: If they have a heated set that plugs into like the. The trickle charger for a bike, I may look at that because the Indians have the pre wired.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: They do, they do they have an adapter.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: It's a little barreled adap barrel adapter that goes from that coax style.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Making sense.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's. And they. They also have like the long john pants and. And insoles. They have heated insoles as well.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: I've seen all that stuff.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I haven't gone that far.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: No.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: You know, I'm.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: But either way, the chaps are fine. And then I got a heated seat, so.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and that's the thing. I have a couple of sets of chaps. I've got a regular set of chaps and then a set of insulated chaps. And normally with like either the blanket line jeans or the flannel. Not blanket, but flannel line jeans or I also have a pair of fleece line jeans.
[00:05:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I have the fire hose fleece line.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: That's like wearing chaps.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You also have something that. That I'm going to look into, that bearskin hoodie that you have.
[00:05:59] Speaker A: Refrigerator.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah, refrigerator. Yeah, I'm gonna look into that.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: They're having a sale going on right now.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: Really?
[00:06:05] Speaker A: I was looking at them today.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Really?
[00:06:08] Speaker A: Because the one I had was way too big for me.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And it was massive.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: Way too big for me.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: So I'm thinking about getting another one.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: All right. So it's been a while.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Yeah, a few weeks.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Few weeks. So we're going to talk about environmental stewardship.
And it's something that I don't think a lot of people talk about.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: I don't think so either. But the ones that do talk about it end up sometimes going way off to the other side of one way or the other with it. Yeah, one way or the other.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So, you know, this talks about how the environment can be a form of worship and obedience.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: Not that we're tree huggers.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Not that we're tree huggers.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: We absolutely not tree huggers.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: But we are called to care for the earth.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: And so Genesis 2:15, this is my NIV version, says the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and take Care of it.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: Work it and take care of it. That's the key point. I'm going to look it up. And I don't think there's any difference in the nasb.
Let's see here. Here it is. The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it. And keep it.
[00:07:36] Speaker A: Yeah, and keep it, keep it, care for it, work it, cultivate it. Right. It's saying all the same things.
And then there's another scripture, Psalms 24:1.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Psalms 24:1 said, the earth is the Lord's and all. It contains the world and those who dwell in it.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: So when you think about care for it, what does that mean?
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Well, so to me, this has a little bit of different meaning, and here's why.
My family on my dad's side were grain farmers in southeast Missouri. So I grew up between working on the grain farm and helping my dad and his carpet cleaning business, which ultimately we always ended up back at the farm taking care of the ground and the things around us in planting and harvesting and fertilizing and tilling and, you know, that kind of stuff.
There were a lot of times, though, that because of, like, old equipment and things that we had, where there were some things that would not be friendly to the EPA today.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: You know, and some of the chemicals and things that are. You are. We used. That have evolved over the years are a lot different now than what they were back in the 70s and 80s.
But still. Yet for me to take care of the earth, I have an obligation to make sure that the things that I do don't waste God's creation.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: So I say that as someone who.
I'm a big outdoorsman. I love being outside. You know, I like to hunt. I like, you know, other than riding motorcycles, you know, there are things, other things that I like as well. And being someone who grew up camping and grew up, you know, learning the land, basically, you know, how to hunt, how to fish, how to do those things, and taking care of the environment even, you know, for me is important.
I don't.
Environment is not just.
I don't want to go hardcore Greenpeace, you know, but at the same time, I believe that the way that we treat the earth and the things that we do is important for our survival, for the sole purpose of furthering the kingdom of God.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I think if you look at it like, because I grew up the same way. Right. Not grain farm, but, you know, in the summers, I'd work on a dairy farm.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: We Grew up hunting and fishing and dirt bikes and. Oh, yeah, you know, living the dream.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:54] Speaker A: As a young kid. But if you take this scripture and talk about, you know, care for it, I think not from the tree hugger point of view, but I think it's important to recognize that this is God's creation.
[00:11:10] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: Right. Yes. He created us in his image. Right. In their image. Right. The Father, Son, the Holy Spirit created in our image is what he said. But he created the earth first.
Right.
And if we're not taking care of our responsibilities, we're dishonoring God.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: And that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all beautiful and pretty, but I think about, like, I don't know what the percentage is, but a large percentage of wild blueberries come from Maine.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: And every year they have a burn.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:11:51] Speaker A: And that burn is cultivating the soil.
[00:11:54] Speaker B: Right, Right, right.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: And they have. So they're not always picking the same berries from the same exact soil every year. Right. There's this rotation, and that's how they preserve the soil. They preserve the earth. They get nutrients to the earth burn.
[00:12:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: But they're doing. They're doing it the way God planned.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: And so I think when I think about take care of it, I think about, how would God have taken care of it?
[00:12:21] Speaker B: That's something that I think as we.
As we move forward and learn more about the earth itself.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:12:34] Speaker B: And I'm going to preface this this way, the way that God would take care of it, I think he is enabling us to do that because we learn, like the bush burn and things like that. We.
We talk about the grain farm for a minute. Okay.
There were times, there were years when we would burn the wheat shaft, when we burned the wheat stalks after we had thrashed wheat or cultivated wheat or harvested wheat.
And then there were times when we would just disc it under and, you know, leave it for the winter. And then, you know, soybeans would come in in the spring.
So we learn ways to keep those types of things going in a more organic way.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: Now, I'm not necessarily an all organic shopper. Right. I'm not.
An organic apple, to me, doesn't taste any different than the apple that came out of your backyard.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Right.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: You know, so I don't think I need to pay $5 a pound for a gala apple that says it's organic.
[00:13:52] Speaker A: Well, because that organic stamp is.
Do we really.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: Do we really?
[00:13:57] Speaker A: What does that mean?
[00:13:58] Speaker B: Right. And what are the loopholes to get through to have that stamp.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: That's right. It's just a stamp.
[00:14:04] Speaker B: But what I'm saying is I think God enables us to find the way to take care of the Earth better by knowing, okay, this year we're going to burn that wheat straw.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: Or this year we burned it last year. So this year we're going to disk it.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: You know, and we're going to turn it under and we're going to let it.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: But it's about understanding that.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: Right.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: It's about understanding when. When it's appropriate to do what and doing the right thing.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: Right. And in that crop rotation, what comes in as the next crop and on that plot of ground.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: So let's look at the big picture.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: When you're talking about the environment, which, honestly, I don't, you know, I don't think I've ever heard a sermon where they're talking about the environment.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: But when, you know, when you look at the big picture and you say, what if? What does it mean to be a steward of the environment and what does it mean to your worship of God?
Because there's a lot of ways to worship. Right. But he's telling us to take care of it.
Right. I mean, he says the exact words were to work it and take care of it.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Right.
And that is a form of worship.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Because you're doing what God is calling you to do.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Right?
[00:15:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: So in today's society, how do you do that?
Because it's easy for us to sit back and go, like, okay, well, you know, when I was working the dairy farm in the summers, we did blah, blah, blah. Right. When I was working the grain fields, I did xyz. Right. When they're doing the blueberries in Maine, they go do this.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: But what does that mean today in every Christians, as Christians?
[00:16:03] Speaker B: Several different things. First of all, I think our consumption of products needs to be monitored in a way of.
I say sustainability. We'll say that for sustainability.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: And you've got all different sorts of communities of people that want to say, well, you know, you've got to do, you know, xyz in order for the ozone layer to be protected.
You've got to do. And because the ozone layer is not protected, then we're losing polar ice caps.
First of all, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a meteorologist, I'm not a.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Climate change guy, by the way.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: I'm not either. Okay. But at the same time, I'm not saying that we don't need to take steps to make sure that the Earth is still sustainable for our children's grandchildren. Yeah, okay, but at the. But at the same time, I'm also. I'm also not saying that we all have to drive an electric car.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Because of the downside of producing, you know, the batteries for electric cars.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Right.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Or generating the power to recharge the batteries for the electric car.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Yeah. What if we looked at it a little bit different?
[00:17:46] Speaker B: How so?
[00:17:47] Speaker A: What if we said environmental stewardship as a Christian, while it may, all those things may be important.
Right. But what if it was about not over consuming?
Well, what if it was about, I don't want to say conservation, but what if it was about, like, I don't need five cars.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: Right. What if it was about I don't need my heat on 80?
[00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: You know, what if it was about, I don't need to go to McDonald's today because of all the. Like. If you just start to think about as a Christian in today's society, what are the impacts you have on the environment by the things that you do every day in excess.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: Well, careful about not going to McDonald's because somebody will twist that and go. So you're not going to support people who are working for less than 15 an hour.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Well, first of all, I don't eat at McDonald's.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Well. And because the ice cream machine's broke.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: This is true.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: This is true.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: I don't eat at McDonald's. And it has nothing to do with that. Right. It's. We don't eat gluten. Right, right. Allergic. So I can't.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: People don't know this, but the French fries in. In McDonald's are wrapped in beef talon or something. And. And some of that does actually have wheat in it. And they. So they are not gluten free, the French fries.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: I didn't know they had gluten in the French fries.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: So let's new one.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: It sucks because they are the best friends.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: They literally are the only. Look. And the only French fries that are better than McDonald's are steak and shake.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:25] Speaker B: Because you can eat like 60 of them at once.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: That's right. That's right. I agree. Look, McDonald's was my jam.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Right. Miss it. Yeah, desperately. Yeah.
Go and get a Big Mac tomorrow if I could.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: And they will make one without a bun.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: They absolutely will. They're every McDonald's I've been to. They're amazing. But I can't go there and not eat their French fries because their French fries are amazing.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: So after this podcast, I'm going to give you a recipe for Tortilla Smash Burger Big Macs.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: But it's a tortilla.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: But it's gluten free.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: Tortillas are not gluten free.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: If you use a corn tortilla, it is gluten free.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Love the sound of that.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: See? Stick with me, brother. I got you, Linda. I'm helping you.
[00:20:04] Speaker A: Okay, that's right. But so back to the topic of, you know, excess. Right, right.
You know, recently, Linda and I, and it's been. Not just recently, it's been maybe it's probably been a year now. Right. We used to buy cases and cases and cases of bottled water.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Mm.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Right. You know, we always had two cases on hand. We drink. That would be the only water we would drink, bottled water.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: Right.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: But we hated having all the plastic.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: Do we recycle? No. Let me just clarify that. We should have.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Right, yeah.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: But just throwing it out there. We were environmentally friendly with the recycling. With the recycling.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:45] Speaker A: But then we said, like, why. Why are we buying all this water?
What if we went to a company, right. We use Coligan and said, okay, how about you just deliver water to us.
[00:20:57] Speaker B: In a reusable jug?
[00:20:58] Speaker A: In a reusable jug. Every month we give you the jugs back and they bring me new water.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's a nominal fee for that.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: It's actually cheaper.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: Like in the long run, it's actually cheaper because I don't have to go buy water.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: I'm not paying for the gas. I'm not.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:14] Speaker A: I'm not creating the garbage. The water tastes way better.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: But yeah, we did that because we were like, we just got to get away from these plastic bottles.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: And so I think little things like that, being conscious of those things are taking care of.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:21:36] Speaker A: The environment, as much as we possibly can.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: When there's an.
We're not saying. I'm not saying you should go out and flag the environmental banner and. Or fly the environmental flag and. And tell everybody that, you know, you shouldn't be doing this. You should be recycling. I don't think the government should dictate what we do.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: But I do believe that in little instances, if you try to consciously make a decision to not do something right, then that's what, from a Christian point of view, in my mind, environmental stewardship is.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: I agree. I agree. And back to the bottled Water thing.
We don't buy bottled water at home unless we're going to have like a big thing of company. We don't drink anything but water.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, water and milk in the fridge.
[00:22:34] Speaker B: I don't even drink much milk.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: Well, we have almond milk.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: That's why, you know, so here we. I drink filtered water from the refrigerator.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:45] Speaker B: But I use one of those circle water bottles and then I fill it up every night and put it back in the refrigerator.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: Now at work I have an insulated water bottle that I do use bottled water at work.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:04] Speaker B: Because there's no filter on the water in my office at and McFarland. And the water tastes horrible.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: Horrible. So I keep three bottles in my little dorm sized refrigerator in my office. And as I drink, you know, I'll pour a bottle of water in that insulated thing and then replace another one so that I have cold water as I'm drinking and have cold water in the refrigerator.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:23:30] Speaker B: But still I'm. I'm not going through 50 of those a day.
And so I do use bottled water there, however, at home and in other places I used filtered water from our refrigerator.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And we have a filter on our fridge too. And look, when I say this, I'm not saying we never do bottled water. Oh. I'm not saying if I'm out on the bike and I'm getting a bottle of water somewhere and I'll just keep it in my saddlebag and sometimes I'll bring it home and I'll refill that bottle of water from our cull again for a week.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: You know, just drinking out of the same bottle.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I do that.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: A lot. I do that a lot at home even. You know, like I'll have a Gatorade bottle and I know I'm going to be out, you know, working in the shop or something like that and I'll fill that Gatorade bottle up instead of especially I'm beyond a mower or something where I'm afraid I'm going to end up losing this, you know, this $35 Circle water bottle. You know, so I try to do. We try to be conscious about things like that.
Another thing is I like to use regular houseware instead of like paper plates and napkin, you know, now we still use paper napkins, but you know, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of disposable goods for, you know, flatware or for dinnerware or you know, that kind of stuff.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean we have A huge box of like plastic silverware.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: You know why we haven't. Because we did some BFC event and we were feeding probably the homeless. Right.
[00:25:13] Speaker B: And that's left over.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: It's left over. So it's sitting in my cupboard.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: And in our. We have, you know, BFC has a trailer. And in our trailer there's probably 400 pieces of flatware.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: And. Oh, we have the same thing.
[00:25:26] Speaker A: So it's. So there are times.
[00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: That I think it's important.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: But what do you think as a church body that could be done to be more better stewards of our environment?
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Okay. So I had a conversation last night. Had a conversation with a guy and the conversation. We met in Hendersonville for a cup of coffee and we were talking about the church that we're going to now, and I was asking about mission opportunities and ministry opportunities and, you know, just kind of generalized questions. One of the things that he said is, and I was kind of impressed with this, is they have certain Sundays where they just go and serve.
And he gave a for instance of one Sunday they went to serve homeless people in Gallatin and they ended up just cleaning up around this little homeless camp.
And they ended up like 16 trash bags, contractor sized trash bags of stuff to throw away.
My thing as a church body begins in service in things like that.
[00:26:51] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: I think to further that, there are so many opportunities for park cleanup and creek cleanup. And, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be something that's posted up on social media. You don't necessarily need the accolades for it.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: I think it's better if it's not.
[00:27:11] Speaker B: I do too. But what I'm saying is you can do the adopt a Highway. You know, I think as a church body, we need to be conscious of what people see us do.
And the perception that people outside of the church, not just the local church, but perception of people outside of the church to see the way that we take care of things goes a long way, you know?
[00:27:41] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Like, it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Okay. And I'm just going to openly say that. But you know, if I'm driving down the road and I see somebody with one of those world outreach magazines that says Jesus is Lord and then they throw their coke out the window, that bugs me. That bug drives me. And it's not a reflection of world outreach.
[00:28:02] Speaker B: It's not. It's not.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: But Pastor Allen's a great pastor.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: I'm not saying brings a great message.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: You know, we would go to world outreach more if it wasn't far. So far away. Sure.
[00:28:16] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: But that perception.
Right. And I think sometimes as Christians, we forget that taking care of God's creation of the earth is as important as taking care of God's creation of humanity.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: We forget that. Well, I was out serving the homeless or I was out doing this, or I was out ministering to those people.
[00:28:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:46] Speaker A: What about God's other creation? God's first creation?
[00:28:50] Speaker B: Well, and here's. Here's the thing with that. So.
And we've talked about this before. I was an Eagle Scout.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Right. I went all the way up to the ring. Right. So I learned all of the survival tips and the camping tips and, you know, all those things. One of the things that still sticks out in my mind and Boy Scouts of America.
Boy Scouts of America. Not Scouts of America. Boy Scouts of America. Right. I'm not, I'm not trying to mix things up here. Taught me in my generation that went through that particular program, we call it that, that you leave it better than you found it.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Not just a campground.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:29:33] Speaker B: Right. And I'm a stickler for that today.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: If I'm going to come to your house and we're going to have dinner, then I'm going to leave it better than I found it. I'm going to help do the dishes. I'm going to help clean up. I'm going to do those things. Right.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: So to me, it's important for us to remember that in order for it to continue for years behind us, for generations behind us, we've got to leave it better than we found it. And if that means not littering or picking up litter or taking care of, dare we say, take care of the environment, you know, it's important for us to embrace that as a church so that the perception that those of us around the outside of the church as a whole don't see us as a consumption.
Gluttonous, you know, bunch of retards.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: No, absolutely. I think, you know, I wasn't an Eagle Scout. I didn't. I didn't go all the way, but I did Boy Scouts for many years.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: And I think I was blessed to have a mom and dad. That aside of, you know, issues. Right.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Yeah, we've talked about that.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: I mean, I was blessed to have a mom and dad that care. Like, they taught me that same thing. Right, Right. I'll never forget. I don't know, I was probably 10 and we were out camping and fishing. And we were out going on some hike or something, you know, and there was trash in the sage brush. I pick it up and I just walked right past it. My dad was like, what are you doing?
[00:31:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Like, well, I didn't put it there.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I would get the same thing. I would get the exact same thing.
[00:31:15] Speaker A: He's like, no, pick it up, take it back to the camp and put it in the garbage.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: I remember when, when I was in Scouts, we did a. A 50 mile hike and it was over like six days or something. You remember those?
And. And it was like, if you packed it in, you're packing it out, taking it out, period.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: I'll tell you a funny story about that.
I got the.
I got the pleasure to go to Philmont.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: All right. And I've my contingent in Philmont. We hiked a hundred. And I think it was 128 miles in 10 days.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: That's a lot, right? It was a lot.
And so every day or every. I think it was every three days, we ended up at a supply camp where we could get provisions for the next three days.
[00:32:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: You know, and then we would be out in the wilderness again. So one particular day, I remember it was my day to carry the trash from lunch.
[00:32:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:16] Speaker B: Right. And at the end of the day, because you're in New Mexico. Right. So there's bears, there's all these wildlife, you know, all of your smellables you put into a bear bag and you strung them up between two trees that was wide enough that a bear couldn't traverse across branches to reach it. Right.
Well, we were in a campsite that night that was known for bear population, and I forgot I had a. My smellable bag had like my soap, deodorant, shampoo, you know, it was in a gallon Ziploc bag. I always just rip it out. Had my toothpaste and everything in it. I just rip it out of the bottom of my backpack. It was in a pocket in the bottom. Throw it in the bear bag. And then the next morning we'd bring the bear bag down. I'd put it right back where it was, you know, until we took a shower or had a chance to bathe or whatever.
Well, I forgot that I had the trash from that day's lunch in the top of my backpack. And we had graham crackers that day for lunch.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Recipe for a disaster.
[00:33:18] Speaker B: So where I'm sleeping in my tent from, probably from me to you, outside of the tent is a Tree that my backpack is rested up against.
And I just laid the COVID over my backpack and I didn't, I didn't strap it down. I didn't strap the backpack cover itself down. So it wasn't lashed down. And the COVID like the rain cover was just literally laid on top of it.
I remember waking up in the middle of the night, it was probably 2 in the morning, and I heard crunching outside my tent. Now between literally it was from which.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: Is like four and a half feet. Let's just.
[00:34:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: For people.
[00:34:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: They see a split screen, but they don't know we're like four and a.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: Half, four and a half feet apart. Maybe not even that far.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: Anyway. And then all of a sudden I hear, rob, Gary, do not come out of your tent. Gary Stanstrom was my tent partner. Do not come out of your tent. And my contingent leader had one of those bright beam flashlights. I think it was a mag light, even like a 4D cell.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: I have one of those in my truck.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Right. And it weighs 30 pounds. And you can shine it from here to water town.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:30] Speaker B: You know, I mean, it's that bright. He's like, there is a bear outside of your tent. And I'm realizing that bear is like right here.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: He's between me and my backpack. And what he had done was he had smelled those graham crackers. He had come in and just swiped the COVID off of my backpack, the rain cover, and reached in and got those graham crackers and was sitting between the backpack and me munching the remainder of those graham crackers. And I'm thinking, how stupid could I have been? Right? Well, now then, that's over. Graham crackers. Now then I look at things and think about, especially with environment care, you know, And I think about how stupid it is for bottled water, you know, water bottles or other non biodegradable consumables, you know, when there's another option for it to be safer.
[00:35:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Now, had I been thinking and not been so excited about whatever was for dinner that night that I had smellables in the top of my backpack.
The whole trick was it was a borrowed backpack.
It wasn't even mine. Mine. I didn't take mine. I used a different one.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: The next day we're going, we were hiking to this, to the next camp the very next day, and we meet another contingent that's, that's. We're passing each other on the trail, right? And the dude goes, man, the guy that's about four guys back, he got his Backpack ripped up by a bear last night.
And it was shredded. Dude, I'm talking about shredded.
And I'm thinking, how lucky am I?
[00:36:23] Speaker A: Seriously?
[00:36:24] Speaker B: You know, and here I am. I was 14 at the time. Now I'm 55 years old. And I think back 41 years to when I was in Philmont, Cimarron, New Mexico, on the side of this mountain. And how stupid I was at leaving something stupid in my backpack. And now, 41 years later, I look back and think how stupid we are at wasting things that are harmful to the environment. Like you said, trash in the sage brush.
[00:36:54] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I mean, my dad was. He was like, avid hunter. Yeah, right. Like. And 100%. You leave it better.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
[00:37:08] Speaker A: Because not only did he care about what it looked like, he wanted it to be there for the next person.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: That the next person didn't. Nothing's worse than pulling up to a campground and garbage laying around and oh, yeah, you've got to clean it up.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: You can even set up camp. Right.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: That goes back to exactly what we're saying about being stewards of God's creation.
It's not. It's not just about pick. Pick up after yourself.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: No.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: Right.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: No.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: It's about leaving God's creation better than you found it.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Because it's something to be enjoyed and it's a treasure. Right.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: It's a gift from God.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: It is. It is given to us to take care of.
[00:37:54] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: And if we don't.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: And his Word teaches us to work it and take care of it.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep. And if we don't, who's going to be the example of those that need to see it?
[00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Nobody.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: Nobody.
[00:38:10] Speaker A: It's just going to get worse.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: It is. It is. And it's. It's. It's something that. That we have to live with in order to be able to live with it.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: That's right. So a little different topic today, but, you know, I think important nonetheless.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: I think so, because I think it was very important.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: I think we take the earth for granted.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: We do. We do.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: And we don't put it where God put it.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: No.
[00:38:40] Speaker A: And that's probably the hardest part. And I.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: Well, not just that, but understanding and knowing what we're supposed to do and not doing it.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Or maybe I should say it a different way. We don't set the importance on caring for it that God tells us to.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: Right, exactly.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: Right.
[00:38:59] Speaker B: Exactly. Yep.
[00:39:01] Speaker A: So if you're driving around with the Jesus his Lord stickers, stop throwing stuff out the window.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: Don't.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: Don't throw your hearty's cup out.
[00:39:07] Speaker B: I so where we, where I live, I end up with a lot of like beer cans and trash and stuff like that up against the roadway.
[00:39:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: At my house. And it gets irritating sometimes to have to go pick that stuff up.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: It is.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: But at the same time I also realized that the knucklehead that threw it out was either trying to hide something or just doesn't care.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: I think more, more often it doesn't care.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: That's most of the time. Most of the time. Now I will say there have been times when I have thrown things out of the window because I didn't. The evidence need to be found.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: Different life. Different much different life. Different life.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Much different life. Much different life. Man, I've enjoyed this conversation. It's been a good one. And I think this is the best place to land this one today.
[00:40:06] Speaker A: I agree.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: I agree. Folks, we thank you for joining us today.
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